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October 16, 2005

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Les Nessman

And yet I seem to remember about the same amount of press coverage of the 'election' three years ago as we now see on yesterday's election.

I wonder why that is? You would think yesterday's election would be really important news for our media.

Crusty

I can't imagine a more appropriate photo or description of the Iraqi constitutional vote. As long as we are going to have our news interpreted for us, this is the way it should be.

Well done!

a1b2

Google will find you pictures of people voting in Iran. Women, too. Why is the democracy in Iraq "awakening a civil rights movement in the middle east", but the country next door is a democracy that also happens to be one of the biggest threats to our security in the world right now?

Dr. Weevil

Iran is a democracy? Didn't over 1,000 people apply to run for president in the last election? And didn't a committee of religious authorities cut that down to only 9, all male and all religious fanatics like themselves? And wasn't there widespread ballotbox-stuffing to turn an actual 12% turnout into a nominal 60+%? Does that sound like a democracy to you? If so, you are very naive, to put it politely.

Michael

Iran a Democracy?! No one should be surprised at this mega-lib conclusion... this is what they are teaching at our fine colleges-- that "other countries" like Iran have perfectly acceptable "democracies".

I bet this person also believed everything the former Iraqi "information minister" said... haha

Kiteflyer

Maybe he was talking about Mexico, not Iran...?

a1b2

Heh. If you really believed that flaws in the voting process, flaws in how the proposed constitution was put together, back room deals to try to patch together a shaky process, etc., disqualified a "democracy" from being called a "democracy", you wouldn't be cheering so loudly for the Iraq elections.

***** this is what they are teaching at our fine colleges-- that "other countries" like Iran have perfectly acceptable "democracies". *****

Obviously they aren't teaching reading comprehension at whatever school turned you out. The claim isn't that Iran is a "perfectly acceptable democracy". Just the opposite, in fact. The claim is that the "democracy" in Iran is *not* acceptable. Iran is a worse threat to us now than Iraq was under Saddam. In Iraq we've sacrificed American lives to install a "democracy" in which Islamic religious law is explicitly a fundamental part of how the country will be run. That's in the constitution you're so eager to celebrate.

Plus, you both have the basic facts about Iran's "democracy" wrong. The hard-core clerics *lost* power in the last elections. Ayatollah Khamenei is less of a force as a result. The voting wasn't perfect (neither was it in Iraq) but it wasn't as bad a syou try to paint it. If it were, the positive changes could not have occurred. The hard-core right was deeply entrenched, has been for decades, so if they lose power it's a good sign that the election was at least partially legitimate.

In the long run, hopefully the hard-core right wing in Iran will lose even more power, and eventually be marginalized to the point that Iran is no longer a big threat to us. Perhaps the same will happen in Iraq, too.

Dr. Weevil

What 'a1b2' writes is demonstrably false. The hard-core right wing did not lose power in the Iranian pseudo-election, it gained power. Here is what the BBC (no friend of the Bush administration) said about the Iranian election on June 25th:

Headline:

"Iran hardliner sweeps to victory"

Pertinent paragraphs of story:

"The ultra-conservative mayor of Tehran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has won a landslide victory in Iran's presidential poll.

"Mr Ahmadinejad won 62% of votes, defying predictions of a close race, to defeat the more moderate ex-President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

. . . .

"His victory means all the organs of the Iranian state are now in the hands of conservative hardliners.

. . . .

"Mr Ahmadinejad has also pledged to tackle corruption and resist Western "decadence".

"His defeated rival Mr Rafsanjani, 70, was president from 1989-97. He was the favourite going into the election and had re-cast himself as a liberal who was more willing to engage with the West.

. . . .

"Interior ministry officials monitoring polling stations received some 300 complaints of electoral violations in Tehran alone, the Associated Press news agency reports.

"The Guardian Council, which ran the poll, has dismissed allegations of election fraud."

So how can 'a1b2' claim that the more moderate candidate won? Is he (a) stupid, (b) insane, or (c) a liar? If (c), is he paid to lie by (e.g.) the Iranian government, or does he do it just for the pure joy of doing evil? Please note: these possibilities are not mutually exclusive.

Of course, he omits the fact that the Guardian Council did not allow anyone except hard-liners to run, and excluded all women as well, and that there are credible charges (even mentioned by the BBC) that the election was fixed. I mentioned all these things: why does 'a1b2' ignore or dismiss them? There are three possibilities . . . .

Dr. Weevil

Since TypePad seems to have stripped out the BBC link in my previous comment, I'll try giving it as text:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4621249.stm

If that doesn't come through, just Google "Iran election results" and make sure you have the 2005 BBC story, which is on the first page.

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